In which i teach Jennifer Boylan about arguments

About a week ago, i asked someone to simply elaborate on why she would vote for Hillary. And without even arguing against voting such a way, i’m going to demostrate how one Hillary supporter completely fell appart at even the slightest scrutiny of her position!

This is Jennifer Boylan! And i asked her this (A greater context of the conversation):

“Is there literature available that divulges your reasons for supporting Clinton?” Twitter ~JennaGrip

This is a reasonable question, seeing as she had just tweeted her implicit support of Hillary. All i wanted to know was what her reasons for supporting Hillary in the election.
And this was her response and my response to that

“As opposed to Trump? The only literature I have is this piece of paper declaring me sane.” Twitter ~JennyBoylan

“So no real arguments then? Just your typical “lesser of two evils”?” Twitter ~JennaGrip

Which isn’t an argument for something! Simply stating that you hate one candidate isn’t the same as arguing for another! So it’s not an actual argument.

“You’ll find this shocking, but I don’t try to change people’s politics with tweets.” Twitter ~JennaBoylan

Immediately, she goes into defensive mode! Remember, all i wanted was to read something by her, wherein she defends voting for Hillary.

And i’ll have to add to this, that you shouldn’t actually go into trying to change people’s politics ever! Not in Twitter, not on Facebook, not on Instagram, not in an actual argument, not in a lecture! Not ever!
Change in people’s politics comes naturally through argumentation! I realize you don’t do that kind of stuff, but that’s the truth.

But more to the point, i didn’t even ask for that! I know, shocking, right?

That’s why I initially asked. You don’t seem to want to convince anyone anywhere. Twitter ~JennaGrip

The first sentence of my response is dead on, but the second one misread what she actually said. I even said “Convince”. As if she said “I don’t try to change people’s mind on Clinton”. But really, i was just disappointed that she wouldn’t make such an effort anywhere. Even though she does write for various different sites.

Whatever I’m trying to say, I prove it through the fact of my life. My writing’s not bad either. Twitter ~JennyBoylan

Your lived experience means absolutely nothing when it comes to argumentation! Should we automatically take Pat Robertson seriously because of his advanced age? Or maybe good ol’ George H.W? Or maybe we should discount age altogether, huh?

Your writing’s not bad either? Are you saying my writing isn’t bad? Did you mean “My writing’s not bad, either”?
You know, perhaps your writing is better than mine, but since we’re doing adhoms, can i tell you where you got that attitude? By surrounding yourself with Yes Men! Maybe you’ve kept hearing this line of compliments a little too long!

Here’s another thing on this whole “Aheim Bettar ett languich den ju!”. This isn’t my first language. Or second. It’s my third language. So if it’s not up to your highfalutin standard, i’m deeply sorry, oh, wise sage!

Or maybe i misunderstood what you said! After all, i’m just some English is my third language fuck!

Oh, you sweet thing! Twitter ~JennaGrip

This is where any hope of a real conversation ended for me, and i went into troll mode! She was already there, but now i followed suit!

If you want to read the rest, you can check the Greater context, and make up your own mind about this whole mess! I’m just glad to finally have written this, so i can put it behind me!

In summary, i’m very sad about it! Because i used to have a lot of respect for her, but after her horrible handling of even the slightest questioning, i myself have to question her handling of her questioning.

As a funny little extra, i thought it was amusing that, during this back and forth, one of her little sycophants tweeted me this:

Idea that tweeters seeking convincing actually seek to be convinced is hilarious. Twitter Elisa

Yeah, i guess you can assume that about people. Yup! Everyone else is close minded! Not you, though!

Sarcasm aside, i actually do hear people out. Don’t believe me? Then let’s debate, @TrulyTG

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Hierarchy of disagreement

I came across this in my facebook timeline recently, and i figured i would do an exercise where i try to replicate what the author had in mind for each of these segments.

“Communism will end most sexism because when we’re not competing with eachother over resources and everything is 100% fair, women don’t get left out in the dust with lower wages because they hold positions on jobs that are lower paying. Everyone gets their share, and that share is as big as the other’s.”

“That is, assuming communism even works. It’s proven that it doesn’t give those results (Soviet union, Cuba, North Korea, etc), and at best, it has yet to be proven.
In that case, i would think human nature dictates that we are competitive as well as compasionate. So a purely communistic society could never work, because it removes the competition completely, and no one is rewarded for harder work. I think a mix of socialism and capitalism is more in line with human nature. I base this on evolutionary theory (Survival of the fitest) and human psycology. Furthermore, i would like to point out that we’re not equal. We have different set of skills and those skills are valued differently depending on what time we’re living in (Blacksmithing was once a very valued skill, and coding is a valued skill in today’s society) and in what country we live in!”

“Communism will end most sexism because when we’re not competing with eachother over resources and everything is 100% fair, women don’t get left out in the dust with lower wages because they hold positions on jobs that are lower paying. Everyone gets their share, and that share is as big as the other’s.”

“Women would still face sexism in the workforce. The pay was never a question, but it’s how women are treated (And men, too) in places where their gender isn’t, traditionally (Where they’re new). People need to be able to get to workplaces they want to be, and not be prohibited by their gender, or be made to feel uncomfortable because “their kind” are usually not the demographic. Source http://www.thenewpotato.com/2014/03/14/john-jannuzzi-on-bbq-and-being-a-straight-man-in-fashion/”

“Communism will end most sexism because when we’re not competing with eachother over resources and everything is 100% fair, women don’t get left out in the dust with lower wages because they hold positions on jobs that are lower paying. Everyone gets their share, and that share is as big as the other’s.”

“There’s nothing in capitalism that excludes equal treatment of people in the workforce (And equal pay). I think going about it with “if everyone gets equal pay, that ends the wage issue”, is akin to saying that killing every elephant would end the unethical treatment of elephants. It’s technically true, but it introduces a plethora of new issues. What i’m saying is that you don’t have to use drastic methods.”

“Communism will end most sexism because when we’re not competing with eachother over resources and everything is 100% fair, women don’t get left out in the dust with lower wages because they hold positions on jobs that are lower paying. Everyone gets their share, and that share is as big as the other’s.”

“Yet Capitalist systems around the world has made women more liberated than ever.”

“Communism will end most sexism because when we’re not competing with eachother over resources and everything is 100% fair, women don’t get left out in the dust with lower wages because they hold positions on jobs that are lower paying. Everyone gets their share, and that share is as big as the other’s.”

“Sexism!? That word gets thrown around a little too much these days. It makes you seem like you’re very partial and brainwashed, to me!”

“Communism will end most sexism because when we’re not competing with eachother over resources and everything is 100% fair, women don’t get left out in the dust with lower wages because they hold positions on jobs that are lower paying. Everyone gets their share, and that share is as big as the other’s.”

“Who are you, anyway? Just a fucking Stalin worshipper. Why don’t you pray to Stalin some more instead of wasting everyone’s time?”

“Communism will end most sexism because when we’re not competing with eachother over resources and everything is 100% fair, women don’t get left out in the dust with lower wages because they hold positions on jobs that are lower paying. Everyone gets their share, and that share is as big as the other’s.”

“Commie, fascist, Kenyan, Muslim, Atheist, Satanist, Liberal cunt!”

Keep in mind that this is just how i interpret it! I could be wrong on all points as far as i know. But it was fun to do, and i recommend other people try it as well!