In which i teach Jennifer Boylan about arguments
About a week ago, i asked someone to simply elaborate on why she would vote for Hillary. And without even arguing against voting such a way, i’m going to demostrate how one Hillary supporter completely fell appart at even the slightest scrutiny of her position!
This is Jennifer Boylan! And i asked her this (A greater context of the conversation):
“Is there literature available that divulges your reasons for supporting Clinton?” Twitter ~JennaGrip
This is a reasonable question, seeing as she had just tweeted her implicit support of Hillary. All i wanted to know was what her reasons for supporting Hillary in the election.
And this was her response and my response to that
“As opposed to Trump? The only literature I have is this piece of paper declaring me sane.” Twitter ~JennyBoylan
“So no real arguments then? Just your typical “lesser of two evils”?” Twitter ~JennaGrip
Which isn’t an argument for something! Simply stating that you hate one candidate isn’t the same as arguing for another! So it’s not an actual argument.
“You’ll find this shocking, but I don’t try to change people’s politics with tweets.” Twitter ~JennaBoylan
Immediately, she goes into defensive mode! Remember, all i wanted was to read something by her, wherein she defends voting for Hillary.
And i’ll have to add to this, that you shouldn’t actually go into trying to change people’s politics ever! Not in Twitter, not on Facebook, not on Instagram, not in an actual argument, not in a lecture! Not ever!
Change in people’s politics comes naturally through argumentation! I realize you don’t do that kind of stuff, but that’s the truth.
But more to the point, i didn’t even ask for that! I know, shocking, right?
That’s why I initially asked. You don’t seem to want to convince anyone anywhere. Twitter ~JennaGrip
The first sentence of my response is dead on, but the second one misread what she actually said. I even said “Convince”. As if she said “I don’t try to change people’s mind on Clinton”. But really, i was just disappointed that she wouldn’t make such an effort anywhere. Even though she does write for various different sites.
Whatever I’m trying to say, I prove it through the fact of my life. My writing’s not bad either. Twitter ~JennyBoylan
Your lived experience means absolutely nothing when it comes to argumentation! Should we automatically take Pat Robertson seriously because of his advanced age? Or maybe good ol’ George H.W? Or maybe we should discount age altogether, huh?
Your writing’s not bad either? Are you saying my writing isn’t bad? Did you mean “My writing’s not bad, either”?
You know, perhaps your writing is better than mine, but since we’re doing adhoms, can i tell you where you got that attitude? By surrounding yourself with Yes Men! Maybe you’ve kept hearing this line of compliments a little too long!
Here’s another thing on this whole “Aheim Bettar ett languich den ju!”. This isn’t my first language. Or second. It’s my third language. So if it’s not up to your highfalutin standard, i’m deeply sorry, oh, wise sage!
Or maybe i misunderstood what you said! After all, i’m just some English is my third language fuck!
Oh, you sweet thing! Twitter ~JennaGrip
This is where any hope of a real conversation ended for me, and i went into troll mode! She was already there, but now i followed suit!
If you want to read the rest, you can check the Greater context, and make up your own mind about this whole mess! I’m just glad to finally have written this, so i can put it behind me!
In summary, i’m very sad about it! Because i used to have a lot of respect for her, but after her horrible handling of even the slightest questioning, i myself have to question her handling of her questioning.
As a funny little extra, i thought it was amusing that, during this back and forth, one of her little sycophants tweeted me this:
Idea that tweeters seeking convincing actually seek to be convinced is hilarious. Twitter Elisa
Yeah, i guess you can assume that about people. Yup! Everyone else is close minded! Not you, though!
Sarcasm aside, i actually do hear people out. Don’t believe me? Then let’s debate, @TrulyTG